NEXT PRESIDENT WILL TONE DOWN ANTI-IMMIGRATION RHETORIC – Opinion, Yahoo

NEXT PRESIDENT WILL TONE DOWN ANTI-IMMIGRATION RHETORIC – Opinion, Yahoo
Cynthia Tucker
Sat Feb 9, 7:56 PM ETSo much for Tancredoism.

Tom Tancredo is the Colorado congressman who ran for the Republican presidential nomination on a simple platform of nativism and undisguised contempt for illegal immigrants. Since his ill-tempered and simplistic views reflected the sentiments of the hard-core Republican base, several other members of the GOP field adopted a similar mean-spirited rhetoric.

It’s great to see that McCain’s competition couldn’t push him down by labeling him an amnesty advocate. This article gives us a good quote from McCain which he spoke at one of the debates:

“We must recognize these are God’s children as well,” he said. “They need our love and compassion, and I want to ensure that I will enforce the borders first. But we won’t demagogue it.”

While other Republican candidates went from blaming migrants for terrorism to simply convincing the public that they were more intolerant of migrants than their voting records and policies suggested McCain elected to stay out of the migrant bashing himself.

Now, McCain is the likely Republican nominee. Among the losers in last Tuesday’s mega-primary was the Tancredo Credo, which placed illegal immigrants at the center of every peril and every problem facing the American voter. With both remaining Democrats — Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama — having voted for comprehensive immigration reform, there is little chance the Oval Office will be occupied by an anti-immigration mossback.

I know we need to work towards correcting our immigration system so having tolerant and level-headed politicians at the helm certainly makes me feel we have a better chance at a proper and compassionate solution.

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38 thoughts on “NEXT PRESIDENT WILL TONE DOWN ANTI-IMMIGRATION RHETORIC – Opinion, Yahoo

  1. Not if I can help it!! The illegal situration is causing the demise of the U.S. We are spending $338 billion/year on illegals. We can’t afford programs for our own citizens.
    Texas schools want to madate that non-Hispanics take Spanish so Hispanics don’t have to learn English. Enough is Enough!!.
    Laws must be enforced and ILLEGALS stopped from entering our country. They demand all the rights/entitlements of citizens and them demand more while showing contempt for our country and us!!! Not to mention disease, crime etc.

    Tancredo is so right on. Wake up America! Soon the Hispanic vote will sway the future of our once-great country.
    Legal immigrants from all over the world wish to come here–by the rules. Why allow hoards of Mexicans to come illegally–why should they respect any other laws after getting away with coming here illegally????? They DO NOT assimilate but strive to make their own ‘little Mexico’ here.

  2. Are you people completely uninformed?

    Illegal immigration is destroying our nation. The folks who come here illegally have no respect at all for our customs, language, laws, history, or society. That is the type of people they are. They are not the best and brightest of their nation. They are the people whose own home nation couldn’t care less if they leave.

    They are a huge drain on all of our resources. They wave their own flag at rallies and hang ours upside down and burn it.

    If you want to talk about tolerance, check out La Raza and MEChA. Those are racist groups of intolerance who want to reclaim Aztlan. This is a WAR! The only problem is, most of you don’t seem to know that.

    Here’s a couple of choice quotes for you:

    Miguel Perez of Cal State-Northridge’s MEChA chapter said “The ultimate ideology is the liberation of Aztlan. Communism would be closest [to it]. Once Aztlan is established, ethnic cleansing would commence: Non-Chicanos would have to be expelled — opposition groups would be quashed because you have to keep power.”

    JOSE ANGEL GUTIERREZ, professor, University of Texas, Arlington; founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity: “We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are xxxxing their pants with fear! I love it!” “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, WE HAVE GOT TO KILL HIM.”

    That is their belief. Please do some research and realize what is really going on here.

    I welcome legal immigrants of all kinds. We don’t need these type of people, though. They don’t now and will not ever share our American Dream. They want to bring us down and destroy what generations of legal immigrants have helped create.

  3. Conservatives are beginning to amaze me in their inability to see what’s really at stake here. This election is about more than McCain and his inability to follow conservative principals.

    How is handing the whole country over to far left liberals a suitable alternative to McCain?

    There is a serious difference between McCain and a purebread liberal who is bent on destroying ALL conservative values permanantly.

    Today’s liberal is not like the Bill Clinton’s Presidency. It’s moved radically left… Clinton is now considered a moderated, and loosing it’s power because it’s not radically liberal enough.

    The Democratic candidate that is surging now, Obama, is bottom of the barrel liberal. He is about to take power, unless conservatives stop fighting and get serious.

    This would give liberals what they will treat as a clear sign from America that is it ready to move sharply to the left. Not slightly to the left.

    Cherry picking our candidate is exactly what got us INTO this mess, and if conservatives aren’t careful, they will allow our country spiral out of control.

    There is no such thing as a quick recovery from 4 years of radical liberalism unchecked. We may be facing what will take years and years of damage to undo. What’s more, there’s no guarantee that it WILL be undone. Have conservatives completely forgotten Roe v. Wade and other extremely important issues?

    Questioning McCain was right and highly useful for a time and a season. Many of us wish we had acted sooner to support Romney or Huck…. But staying home on election day allows liberals a pass to capture all THREE branches of Government. Our kids deserve better out of us.

    I’m not asking anyone to sacrifice their own belief or convictions, but we have a serious problem here that requires that we do everything we can to minimize the damage this election can cause to our society.

    I’d rather have 50% of McCains ear, than 0% of a liberals ear.

    Give it some thought, friends.

    Danny Vice
    http://weeklyvice.blogspot.com
    http://thalunatic.blogspot.com

  4. Amy,

    You completely uninformed about the history of this country amongst other things?

    Your comment makes no sense at all and is truly just an example of the hatred that is truly what is destroying this country.

    The folks who come here illegally have no respect at all for our customs, language, laws, history, or society. That is the type of people they are. They are not the best and brightest of their nation. They are the people whose own home nation couldn’t care less if they leave.

    Your hostility will bring no positive change and if you think hatred and anger will make this country a better place I truly worry about you.

    I’d like to know where your quote came from as I can find no credible source for its origin. Regardless though, I obviously don’t agree with any hateful comment regardless of who it came from.

  5. Nancy Sivill:

    Your comments are just plain terrible and wrong. Fortunately the majority of Americans don’t feel the same way.

    You stated:

    The illegal situration is causing the demise of the U.S. We are spending $338 billion/year on illegals. We can’t afford programs for our own citizens.
    Texas schools want to madate that non-Hispanics take Spanish so Hispanics don’t have to learn English. Enough is Enough!!.

    Please site where it is proposed that Spanish will replace English as the common language in Texas. That’s just ridiculous propaganda. And you may want to do a little research on the cost of the Iraq war because I think you’ll see that many of those dollars you’re looking for are being directed there.

    The demise of the U.S.? It must be very comfortable to find such an easy scapegoat for the problems this country is facing. Hard working people that have risked their lives to come here because our policies make it necessary. Yes, those are the worst people in this world. How dare they try to make a living.

    You obviously have a problem with Hispanic people and should really take a step back and find ways to help others. You’re anger and hatred will never provide a good solution to anything.

    Legal immigrants from all over the world wish to come here–by the rules. Why allow hoards of Mexicans to come illegally–why should they respect any other laws after getting away with coming here illegally????? They DO NOT assimilate but strive to make their own ‘little Mexico’ here.

    So is it Mexicans you hate or “illegal” migrants? Are all people here from Mexico “illegal”? By your comments one would think so. By “assimilate” do you mean they should begin acting and looking “white”? If they stopped looking Hispanic maybe you’d like them better. Are those “legal” citizens from Mexico not allowed to have their own communities? Have they not been here for some time?

    You ask why they should respect any other laws after they’ve come here without proper documentation. Well, it’s because they are not criminals. They are simply here without permission. That doesn’t mean they want to kill you and if you think it does I’m sorry you feel that way. There is such a thing as morality which keeps people from hurting others. Coming here without permission is not a direct attack on you. If you feel that way it’s awfully narcissistic.

    You may want to do some research on the history of this country. Every group of people that migrated here made their own little community where they felt comfortable. Just go to New York and you’ll find that everyone from the Polish to the Colombians have a little area of the city which they’ve created a community in. This is true all over the U.S.

  6. symsess, it isn’t hatred I feel. It’s a tremendous anger and sadness. Our society and culture are being stolen from us and in the name of PC balogna, nobody seems to care or understand.

    I have had friends straight off the boat from Vietnam. I didn’t have to learn English to talk to them or their parents. They loved our nation and were already doing their best to learn our language out of respect for us and because that’s how you get ahead. One of my best friends was from Cuba. Her father was tortured by Castro. She and her family learned English quickly as well and went on to have very nice lives in their new home; a home they loved and cherished. By the way, despite doing the things that offend these new illegal immigrants so much like learning English and respecting our laws and culture, we also went to the beach and sang Cuban songs and ate Cuban food. They still had their traditions, too.

    Try these links:
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49844

    http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html

    The last link includes these quotes:

    “In January 1995, El Plan de Aztlan Conference at UC Riverside resolved that “We shall overcome…by the vote if possible and violence if necessary.”

    “The Great Invasion: Mexico Recovers Its Own” in 1982’s Excelsior, Mexico’s leading daily newspaper, put it:
    The territory lost in the 19th century by…Mexico…seems to be restoring itself through a humble people who go on settling various zones that once were ours on the old maps. Land, under any concept of possession, ends up in the hands of those who deserve it…. [The result of this migration is to return the land] to the jurisdiction of Mexico without the firing of a single shot.

    The Plan is a clarion call to Mexican-Americans to form a separate Chicano nation:

    In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historial heritage, but also of the brutal “gringo” invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the nothern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers …declare that the call of our blood is…our inevitable destiny…. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops, and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent…. Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come …. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan.”

    The number of illegals coming from Mexico is huge because they have such easy access. They do not come here and form little communities to feel more comfortable. They come here and take over entire areas and turn them into their own nation.

    I am very well informed about our history. You are very uninformed about our present.

    In many Texas schools, Spanish is required. Why not German or French or Chinese? Why? Because of all the illegals here that refuse to learn English.

    You obviously have never had to deal with the realities of this situation.

  7. I have had friends straight off the boat from Vietnam. I didn’t have to learn English to talk to them or their parents.

    What are you saying here? You didn’t have to learn English or you didn’t have to learn Vietnamese? The very assertion that every undocumented migrant cannot speak English is ridiculous. Most countries teach English in their schools and it’s not because they respect this country. It’s because most international business is done in English and it is the most commonly used language. And what does “straight off the boat” mean? Last I checked that was a derogatory way to refer to a recent migrant.

    By the way, despite doing the things that offend these new illegal immigrants so much like learning English and respecting our laws and culture, we also went to the beach and sang Cuban songs and ate Cuban food. They still had their traditions, too.

    So every single person here from Mexico, both with and without permission, fails to respect our culture and our laws? That is simply untrue. If I said every citizen cheats on their taxes because many are caught doing so does that make any sense? Of course not. What is American culture anyway? Most of our culture is imported just like the inhabitants of this country. There are so many varied culture alive in this country which is why it is so great. What do you make of the various Chinatowns around this country? Do you hate Chinese people too? Are they not assimilating well enough for you? When the Italian community in New York as the San Gennaro festival is that not exhibiting proper assimilation?

    You say I haven’t had to deal with the “realities” of this situation. Why do you think I have this blog? If by “realities” you mean I haven’t been involved in baseless accusations and name calling then you’re correct I have not been involved. If instead you mean being affects and trying to help others by working compassionately toward real solutions rather than simply being angry then I have been involved.

    Just your use of the word “illegal” as a noun is troubling. You’ve bought in to a terrible way to refer to another human being. On top of that you’ve assigned every possible evil upon anyone that is here without permission. You claim to have compassion for some, but you pick and choose who gets this compassion from you.

    They do not come here and form little communities to feel more comfortable. They come here and take over entire areas and turn them into their own nation.

    This is a ridiculous assertion and is not based on any fact whatsoever. It is simply the spreading of mistruth in an effort to demonize a particular people. You speak of Mexicans as if they are the dregs of society. Don’t you think that has an ill effect on those Mexican and other Hispanic migrants that are citizens or are here with permission from the government?

    You pointed me to an article on World Net Daily, the same site that asks if I’m “a slave to my creditors.” This is interesting because many people (see white people) don’t seem to realize how the racism in this country has driven many to start groups that attempt to promote their people. Just as you quote on a movement by Hispanics to take over this country I can quote the many organizations that have been formed as pro-white groups trying to “cleanse” this country. Because most people don’t prescribe to those believes it would make little sense for me to compare the KKK to the anti-“illegal” immigrant groups (though some do need to be looked at closely). As far as World Net Daily goes I don’t find them to be a credible news source. They are completely one-sided and have some very questionable views about non-white people. They also used to proudly support Zion Oil and Gas which is a strange bunch.

    The Diversity Alliance obviously has taken the goal of ending much of the current “legal” immigration as they complain about too many people coming here. Their desire to demonize “Chicanos” is evident in their goals. Please site some credible sources rather than extremely biased ones if you want to convince me.

    Finally, if you are so well informed about our history then you’d note that the hate mongering you are a part of has been done before. Look up the Know Nothing party and references to nativism in our past. The same arguments you make against Mexicans and Hispanics were made against others before. So when will we learn not to let history repeat itself. I guess we never will. Will we?

  8. Obviously, I made an error by saying “English” instead of Vietnamese. I said nothing derogatory. They literally were straight off of a boat of refugees.

    Here’s the reality for you:
    There are so many illegals here from Mexico that they think it is our obligation to learn their language, not vice versa.

    Most of the illegals leave jobs in their own nation of Mexico to come here because we give them a free ride.

    They are here illegally, hence the term illegal.

    Legal immigrants are a completely different type of person. The very fact that someone sneaks across our border, takes our welfare, sometimes acquires fake ID’s speaks to their character. The Mexicans who come here illegally do not represent the average Mexican person. The average Mexican would never dream of breaking laws and stealing ID’s.

    I love China Towns. Most Chinese people have learned English.

    Try going to Parkland Hospital and sitting in the ER for much needed help. It is full of illegals getting free healthcare for minor colds and coughs and aches and pains. They’re here for the freebies.

    There are plenty of credible sites out there with information. Try reading Gutierrez’s book. Search newspaper archives on google. It’s all there if you’re not so blind you won’t look.

    Everything I’ve said is fact. I’ve lived with this. I see it every single day of my life. It is a pervasive attitude that the illegals have. They hate us.

    I have compassion for the people who want to come here legally; the people the illegals are taking the place of. I have compassion for the workers who lose their jobs to illegals. I have compassion for workers whose wages are depressed.

    And, if you think America does not have its own culture, you are highly mistaken.

    If you want to be compassionate and work toward a solution, go to Mexico and help them straighten out their government, which is unbelievably more corrupt than our own. They use illegal immigration as an escape valve to keep from taking care of their own people.

  9. symsess-I live amid a fairly large Hispanic population. Those who wanted to come here and assimilate couldn’t be better friends and neighbors. Those who come here illegally out of need and don’t want to be here are another story. People who come here legally are my fellow citizens. My problem is that the borders are open and thousands of unknowns come across daily-not just Mexicans-although that is the greatest populaion who does cross..
    The primary role of he U.S, government is to protect it’s citizens. It is failing miserably. We fight wars in foreign lands so that we do not have to fight them here. However, unknown threats are allowed to cross our borders every day. I only expect that the laws will be enforced-no exceptions.
    We are at war so it makes no sense to have borders wide open for those who would harm us from within. Although the war is costly, expenses for illegal immigrants are also costly as I noted in my prior post. Here is the breakdown with commentsfrom the author:
    “If you think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

    Propaganda states that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the
    URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

    each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
    such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of

    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American

    wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

    that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal

    aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,

    meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern

    border.

    Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
    Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.

    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!
    Are we THAT stupid??? “

  10. symsess-regarding Texas schools mandating Spanish-I was referring to this situation–
    .Schoolgirl to aliens: Learn our language
    ‘We’re not going to turn America into a bilingual country to accommodate you’

    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: February 07, 2008
    5:28 pm Eastern

    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    A Texas schoolgirl has a message for aliens coming into the United States: Learn our language.

    The message comes from Ashleigh Allison, who has insisted on studying France and its language even though her Grapevine-Colleyville school district curriculum requires her to take Spanish, according to a report in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

    And her mother agrees. “We’re not going to turn American into a bilingual country to accommodate you,” she said. “She (Ashleigh) wants to be the one voice that forces them to learn English.”

    K.C. McAlpin, a spokesman for ProEnglish, a Virginia-based group that is trying to preserve English as the common language of the United States, said there’s no opposition to teaching foreign languages.

    (Story continues below)

    “But it would be naïve to think that the country does not face the growing threat of bilingualism because of the massive influx of mostly Spanish-speaking immigrants. They’re coming in faster than the country can absorb them,” McAlpin said.

    In Texas, schools are required to offer “to the extent possible, languages other than English” for elementary children. Monica Martinez of the Texas Education Agency said the simple fact is for most, Spanish is the language of choice.

    Grapevine-Colleyville district spokeswoman Megan Overman told the newspaper that the intent is to provide students the experience that “prepares them for success in our diverse world” and there’s been no opposition in the past.

    But McAlpin said forcing Spanish on students promotes bilingualism and could cause harm.

    “Every place in the world where societies have been divided about language, there have been conflicts that many times lead to violence or antagonism that we have so far been able to avoid in this country,” he told the newspaper. “Why break the successful mold of the melting pot?”

    Rudy Rodriquez, retired from the bilingual education program at the University of North Texas, said a “bilingual brain” actually has better function.

    But Allison told the Star-Telegram her family isn’t anti-immigration: They’re just pro-English.

    “This is not saying, you cannot speak your native tongue,” she told the paper. “Grasp your tradition and your culture. But when you are outside your front door, you must speak English. We have to understand you.”

    Allison said her daughter’s school now has 54 percent Hispanic students, up from 13 percent 10 years ago.

    She said when Principal Cody Spielmann told her Spanish is required and there were no other options, she reacted.

    “Ashleigh feels the course would be a waste of her time since she has no aspirations in the future to have a career requiring bilingual talents,” she wrote the principal, “nor does she feel compelled to accommodate those who live in our country who refuse to learn the primary and current native tongue of English.”

    The issue came to a head when the school refused to make any accommodations, and Allison kept her daughter out of class. She ended up filing a grievance, and reached an agreement with Deputy Supt. Jim Chadwell to allow her daughter to study and report on a country of her choice.

    Without a teacher, she hasn’t been able to pick up any but the most common French phrases, the newspaper reported, and Allison still is seeking a formal policy change.

    In my local situation stores often will not hire citizens who do not speak English and Spanish. That is wrong as English is the offical language. Those who choose to come here need to embrace the country as their own and learn the language. If accomodations are continuously made so they do not have to learn, they don’t and hence our problem continues.

  11. We are a country at war! The primary function of a government is to protect it’s citizens. Our government is failing to do that. I can agree with fighting the enemy on foreign soil so that we don’t have to fight them here. And yes, the costs are staggering. However, it makes no sense to defend our country in other lands when our own border is not secured–thousands of illegals, and they are illegals, cross our borders daily. Many are here to do us harm. We have no way of knowing who they are or from where they come. The U.S. is one of the few countries in the world where borders are compromised. Not only is it dangerous to all but it is costly. Here is the information supporting the costs of illegal immigrants:

    think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

    Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the
    URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

    each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
    such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of

    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American

    wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

    that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal

    aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,

    meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern

    border.

    Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
    Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.

    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!
    Are we THAT stupid???

  12. We are at war and the costs are staggering. It makes sense to fight a war on foreign soil so we might not have to fight it here. However, our government is failing miserably in it’s primary function-that of providing security to it’s citizens. With the borders open, thousands of unknowns pass into out country daily, some who would do us harm. Open borders are an expense we can not afford! See following attachment on costs of illegals–

    —–You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

    Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the
    URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

    each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
    such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of

    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American

    wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

    that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal

    aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,

    meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern

    border.

    Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
    Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.

    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!
    Are we THAT stupid???

  13. I think we should give Mexico all our money. Let’s airlift the whole country here, give them all citizenship, and give them our houses.
    Let’s all stop speaking English right now. It’s such a vulgar tongue anyhow.
    Hey! Happy now? Good, you can pay for all my freakin’ medical bills.

  14. You love Chinatowns? Well don’t they exemplify a group of people not assimilating? Does assimilating only mean speak English? What about our culture? Are they shunning it by using their language on signs and creating an environment similar to their country of origin?

    Most of the illegals leave jobs in their own nation of Mexico to come here because we give them a free ride.
    They are here illegally, hence the term illegal.
    Legal immigrants are a completely different type of person.

    We give them a free ride? What is a free ride? Does that entail working for minimum wage many hours a week? Are you telling me that these “illegals” you speak of all come here taking handouts? Then I guess those people swept up in immigration raids, such as the one at the Swift meat packing plant aren’t “illegals.” They must simply be undocumented migrants (as I prefer to call them) because “illegals” don’t work they just take our handouts and welfare. And of course they don’t pay taxes either, right?

    Speaking of the word “illegal” if a person is parked illegally to go into a grocery store – you know how capable people like to park in handicaps spots – can I call them an “illegal” too? It’s strange how this wonderful word came to mean people here without permission when there’s so many other ways it could have been applied.

    I honestly and sincerely don’t understand how you’ve convinced yourself that every bad trait you can imagine is true for every undocumented migrant. I also can’t understand how you believe that anger and hatred will solve this issue.

    How do you know that those people sitting in the ER are here illegally? Did you ask them? Did somebody there tell you? Or, did they just look Hispanic?

    The truth is there are many people here without proper documentation from all over the world. You’ve obviously chosen to focus on those from Mexico. It wasn’t too long ago that Wal-Mart was sited because their cleaning company was using illegal labor and no they weren’t from Mexico – they weren’t even Hispanic.

    You seem to have convinced yourself that Mexican people who choose to cross the border, risking their lives I might add, without proper documentation immediately exemplify so many terrible traits. It’s as if there is an invisible field at our border which makes those that cross it without permission terrible people. That’s a very strange way to think if you ask me. It’s also very elitist. I believe you’re upset because you have to look at poverty; yet, it’s so prevalent all over the world and much of it is caused by our buying items made with slave labor and through other questionable labor and business practices. These migrants don’t come here for handouts they come here for jobs, but if they were here to hand out money I guess you’d be ok with them. You probably wouldn’t call them “illegals”.

    It wasn’t too long back in our history that we were all being scared into believing the Pope was sending over Catholics to take over this country. Does that sound strange to you? Well it does to me – just like this recent upsurge of anti-Hispanic sentiment

    From Ohio History Central.com

    The Know-Nothings feared that the Catholics were more loyal to the Pope than to the United States. More radical members of the Know-Nothing Party believed that the Catholics intended to take over the United States of America.

    .

    You stated:

    Everything I’ve said is fact. I’ve lived with this. I see it every single day of my life. It is a pervasive attitude that the illegals have. They hate us.

    Again, I’m sorry that this is true in the world you live in. I guarantee that if you choose to have a more compassionate outlook towards others you will find the world a better place. When you accuse people of negative stereotypes and label them as terrible people they tend to exemplify, especially to you, those attributes you’ve assigned. When you treat others with compassion they tend to be very thankful for your help and kindness. This works in many situations, not just this one in which we speak of undocumented migrants.

    I’m sorry we can’t agree on this, but I won’t prescribe toward feeling so negatively towards others – not even toward you and those that hold your views. I will continue this blog and my actions outside of it in an effort to affect positive change and I hope someday you’ll see that kindness reaps more rewards than anger.

    I know this post was linked to from a Fire Society forum entry. I find it interesting that you would choose Fire as a name for your group. Is your goal to burn something? FIRE, though it is very useful, can be very destructive. In the wrong hands it can cause massive devastation. I believe the “fire” actually represents the hatred shown towards others by some people in your group.

  15. Yes, I’m familiar with the Know Nothings, too. The big difference is that they were afraid that Catholics would be more loyal to the Pope. We have evidence that the many illegals who are from Mexico are more loyal to Mexico.

    Juan Hernandez is in McCain’s inner circle. He has stated:

    “I work with the community in the United States, the Mexican community because I don‘t want them essentially going native on us. We want them continually tied emotionally, linguistically, politically to Mexico, because then they‘ll continue to send money home.”
    “I want the third generation, the seventh generation, I want them all to think ‘Mexico first.’ ‘”

    The $18 billion to $20 billion that Mexican nationals working in the United States, most of them illegally, are sending home to Mexico is the largest source of foreign capital into the country of Mexico.

    They make work jobs for pay but they take far more in benefits and services than they contribute. A study by our own government has shown that.

  16. And, Next President will tone down anti-immigration rhetoric? What’s that about? GW is standing at the Rio Grande like a Wal Mart greeter.
    I’m confused. How did I score this “strange” tag?

  17. Heath,

    Let’s airlift the whole country here, give them all citizenship, and give them our houses.

    This is a strange comment and was only made in an attempt to belittle a real situation. Between you’re wanting to “airlift” the whole country here and those that are willing to drive all the “illegals” back to Mexico (because all undocumented migrants are from Mexico of course) there isn’t much room to actually provide any real solutions. You know, like actually caring about other people, even if they’re not citizens, rather than making crass jokes which mock the situation.

    I’m not sure if you’ve been watching the debates, but immigration (until they realized it wasn’t as polarizing a topic as they thought) was a big talking point for the Republicans. Each one was trying to be a bigger anti-immigrant than the next. That’s what this opinion piece is speaking of. As far as Bush being a “Wal-Mart greeter” what about the many raids that have been taking place across the country? Does a Wal-Mart greeter smash in your front door and demand documentation or show up at your job and demand you prove you’re a citizen?

    If you’re goal is to try and be funny you’re probably posting in the wrong place. I’m sure that the Fire Society appreciates this type of humor, but for those of us that care about other people and realize this is a real situation affecting real people, both citizens and those that feel they must risk their lives to support their families, this is not a laughing matter.

    So that’s why your comments are strange. In the face of a real struggle, for those on both sides of this issue, you choose to make ridiculous jokes. Maybe that’s how you cope with this because it is truly tragic that others feel they must risk their lives and their freedoms in order to live. These types of struggles are happening all over the world and joking to belittle others will provide nothing towards making this world a better place.

  18. Amy,

    I’ve seen studies showing that most undocumented migrants choose not to utilize government services. Some from fear of being deported and others from a fear of doctors. Regardless, I have no problem with people in need being helped regardless of their citizenship status.

    It’s strange to me that even though you have knowledge of the Know Nothing party and our history you still find ways to ignore it because of “truths” you’ve discovered which somehow make the current situation different. No, it’s not different. It’s simply an attempt to vilify a group of people because they are different. It’s just another form of prejudice which is nothing new to this country. You claim their is “evidence” – well I’m sure the Know Nothings had evidence too.

    Did you know that U.S. citizens donate billions of dollars to charitable organizations setup to help people in other countries. Should that stop too?

    The money being sent back to Mexico is a measly penance compared to the amount spent on the Iraq war. If you want to be angry about our issues with money then look no further than that catastrophe. Not only have we spent hundreds of billions on that terrible war, but we’ve also given the lives of our soldiers. But since you can’t look at the terror that is the Iraq war I guess it’s easier to find something to vilify here at home – Mexicans.

    I’m not sure where you quote is from, but from the Michelle Malkin website there’s an audio clip which did not include everything you quoted. Plus you left out the part of the quote where Hernandez compares his desire for Mexicans to that of the Jewish community and the Puerto Rican community. Though the quote from Michelle Malkin doesn’t appear to be in its entirety it’s obvious to me that the idea is that people from Mexico here in America, both citizens and non-citizens, should help make Mexico better for those still there. That’s fine by me. Personally I’d like to live in a world where we all help each other. Care and compassion feel better than nativism any day.

    You may want to research why we have the Statue of Liberty. It wasn’t a Christmas present.

  19. Obviously, we will not agree on this issue.

    You make no distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. They are 2 very different categories of people.

    We are a nation of immigrants. Those who come here legally are a benefit to our nation. Between 1995 and 2005, legal immigrants founded one in four engineering and technology firms. These firms employed hundreds of thousands of people and made upwards of $50 billion. These are productive immigrants. We welcome them.

    Illegal immigrants do not contribute. They cost the federal government more than $10 billion each year. On the state and local level, they cost much more. California alone spent $10.5 billion and only got $1.7 billion back in taxes. They are a huge burden to our society.

    They take from us in the form of free medical care, food stamps, school lunches, WIC, court and incarceration costs, etc.

    Our laws are in place to protect our society. They need to be followed. Millions of people from all over the world wait in line to come here. Allowing illegals in denies these people who have respect for our laws their access to this country.

    Try this link:

    http://capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article444

    As for the Statue of Liberty, the man who created it meant it to serve as a reminder to the people of France to follow in our footsteps and create a republic as we had done. That’s why she faces toward France.

    The war in Iraq is a separate issue entirely.

  20. We are at war and the costs are staggering. But here is one big expense that could be eliminated by ENFORCING our laws. After all, if we neglect to enforce one law why enforce any and let’s have anarchy!!
    Stats on illegal immigration cost…

    You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

    Boy am I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us.

    I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

    I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I have included the
    URL’s for verification of all the following facts.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens

    each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
    such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school

    education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of

    English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the

    American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American

    wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s
    two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
    their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens

    that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal

    aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,

    meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern

    border.

    Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of
    mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
    cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
    Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.

    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!
    Are we THAT stupid???

  21. Actually France helped us win our revolution and the statue symbolizes our partnership and friendship while commemorating our centennial. My point is that people can help one another even if they’re from different nations.

    I’m not going to argue about the legality of undocumented migrants. Yes, they’re here without permission. My problem is the bigger issue – why they chose to risk their life to come here – that’s often ignored while they are constantly demonized and vilified. It’s unnecessary and often founded in no real facts.

    I am not here to encourage law breaking, but I am here to discourage name calling and hatred that truly affects both the undocumented and the documented migrants. If you were from Mexico and heard people calling Mexicans cockroaches (yes, people say this) how would you feel?

    Just read what one of your Fire Society members wrote:

    I especially liked the cockroach + Leech=Mexican part

    This is truly a disgusting and racist comment.

  22. There are plenty of racists on their side as well. I don’t like being called gringo or being told I should be killed, either.

    Aside from your compassion for the illegals, what about compassion for people who live here legally? Illegals take lower level jobs that many people here legally need to have. They also cause more wage depression than legal immigrants.

    Also, we really have no idea who any of the illegals are. We have no way of knowing if they are terrorists and evidence says that thousands of them are.

    We have no way to stop the spread of the diseases they bring. Mexico is far behind the U.S. with controlling some diseases. 53% of TB cases last year were from foreigners and most of those were illegally here from Mexico. And it isn’t just regular TB that can be treated with 6 months of drugs. I’m talking about MDR-TB. Each illegal with this can infect 10-30 people before discovered. Illegals don’t have to pass any kind of health test as legal immigrants do.

    Do you have compassion for a co-worker or school child who becomes infected with MDR-TB due to an illegal being here?

    There are plenty of facts and plenty of reasons why illegal immigration needs to end.

    I thank you for being so patient and letting me post on your site despite our obvious differences of opinion on this matter.

    There’s no need to keep this up. Neither of us will change our minds.

  23. And this is why this whole thread is ridiculous.
    “Next President Will Tone Down Anti-Immigration Rhetoric” is the title. There is no anti-immigration rhetoric, there is anti-ILLEGAL immigration rhetoric.
    There is anti-GIVING ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS LEGITEMATE CITIZENSHIP rhetoric. And the current president has nothing to do with it; he is figuratively standing at the Rio Grande like a Wal Mart greeter.
    And if you really wanted a serious discourse on the issues, there would be no ban on Nancy from posting here. There would be no attempt at character assassination on the whole of Fire Society based on one ignorant individual’s cockroach whatever post, which by the way I have nothing whatsoever to do with Fire Society. There would be a serious discourse. You don’t want that, you want a canned, self-censored blog to give your opinions some illusion of validity by censoring any real challenge to them.
    Ergo, my “weird” posts are all I have to say; actual serious discourse in such a situation is absolutely futile.

  24. I simply pointed out what I was against. I never claimed that this one person exemplified everyone against undocumented migrants.

    Heath,

    If you follow this issue then you realize there are many that want to curb immigration altogether or seriously reduce it. Amy referenced one of the groups above – Diversity Alliance – in an article and another very well known group is called Numbers USA. I would consider that anti-immigration.

    As for Nancy I don’t know who that is. This blog allows you to post directly and I’ve never banned anyone. Once you hit submit you’re on the blog – there is no moderation. If Nancy is having a problem posting then I apologize. As I said there is absolutely no censorship on this blog. The only thing I don’t want here is foul language.

    My blog is truly my own. There is no group here – it’s just me. So if you want to come here and give your views then go ahead. Your first comment was ridiculous and now you seem to be contributing actual valid content.

  25. Amy,

    I do have compassion for all people and animals as well. I exercise my ability to help as much as possible. That’s my point here. If I’m going to be compassionate it’s going to be for everyone. It’s simply that migrants are taking it hard in this debate. That doesn’t mean I won’t support efforts to ensure citizens have good jobs. I actually stay away from businesses that I know do not treat their employees well. Everyone deserves a good life.

    I’m sure you realize I don’t agree with many of your assertions in your last comment. However, as you’ve said we just don’t agree.

    Thank you as well for your comments. Though I won’t ask you to change your mind on “illegal” immigration I will hope that you’ll see that we are talking about fellow human beings and they are not all terrible people that should be vilified. If your upset that they broke the law then I must understand, but I think through level-headed debates we can hopefully find a solution that works for everyone equally.

  26. I can assure you that I have tried repeatedly to post some facts that support what I posted in my very first post and were questioned.. Each time, after pressing ‘submit’ no posting occurred. I’m writing this just to see if it will be posted!

  27. I’m looking at what you posted right now. I’m not sure what you’re talking about. There are two comments from you right above this.

    As I said before this blog is completely open. I believe you have to provide an email address, but that’s it. I do not moderate comments. Once you hit submit the comments should be visible. Feel free to comment.

  28. Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
    http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

  29. I’ve broken this down into several posts. Evidently, lenth of post is a problem.

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
    social services by the American taxpayers.

    http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the Southern border.

    Homeland Security Report:
    http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

  30. 12. The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’

    http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
    http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. ‘The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.
    http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!

    We are a nation of laws and they need to be respected. Just because a person comes here illegally and risks their life to do so does not give them the right to do it. Many people who commit crimes risk their lives while doing it. A burglar steals from you to make his life better, harm you, and risks being killed for doing it.

  31. For some reason WordPress did make me moderate your comments though I’m not sure why. It may have something to do with hyper links.

    I’ll look through the items you’ve sent me though I have done much research myself. I will say that CIS is not a credible authority for me because they are an arm of FAIR and you can read a statement from FAIR’s founder John Tanton on my Scary Quotes page.

    Also, though I haven’t read everything you posted yet, I will say there was a recent study showing that cities with the highest rates of undocumented workers actually had lower crime rates than others. I posted previously on how overall crime in this country is down even though “illegal” immigration is up.

    I’ll go through what you’ve provided and let you know what I think about it.

  32. Illegal cost to LA alone–Subject: [PHISH]New Report on Cost of illegals in LA County. YOU WILL BE
    SHOCKED!
    As you read this keep in mind that this is talking about just ONE MONTH!
    AND that the $37 MILLION is JUST welfare and food stamps. See the last
    paragraph for annual costs for OTHER social services for illegal aliens. And
    none of that includes their exploitation of our Social Security funds.
    http://www.hometownstation.com/illegal-aliens-clarita-2008-01-05-10-23.html
    Illegal Aliens Receive $37 Million From County In November
    Written by Carol Rock
    Saturday, 05 January 2008
    Welfare and food stamp benefits soar $3 million higher than September
    payout.
    New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that
    illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $37
    million in welfare and food stamp allocations in November 2007 – up $3
    million dollars from September, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor
    Michael D. Antonovich.
    Twenty five percent of the all welfare and food stamps benefits is going
    directly to the children of illegal aliens. Illegals collected over $20
    million in welfare assistance for November 2007 and over $16 million in
    monthly food stamp allocations for a projected annual cost of $444 million.
    “This new information shows an alarming increase in the devastating impact
    Illegal immigration continues to have on Los Angeles County taxpayers,” said
    Antonovich. “With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for
    healthcare, and $444 million in welfare allocations, the total cost for
    illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year – not
    including the millions of dollars for education.”

    **Multiply that times all the other cities in the U.S. and the amount would be astounding. However, I suspect it will be said that this resourse is not credible either. Would any authority that does not support your views be considered credible?
    Regarding crime, as I read the daily paper or see the TV stories, I see who is doing the crime. Also, note the graffitti–it’s not in English.

  33. I give credibility when claims can be substantiated across many sources. The most two notable sources I have a hard time with are the Center for Immigration Studies and Lou Dobbs. Admittedly though I am also quick to take a story that backs my views and promote it. However, I have also spent much time researching in order to form my views on this matter. One interesting source to help understand this subject is through searching for “immigration” Google books (there are some really good older books that you can download here. Many will show you how people have been against migrants throughout our history and gave similar examples to those you give me as the reasons.)

    What some fail to realize is that many of these groups profit by polarizing your views on manipulating emotions (usually negative ones). If we all treated each other better and made this country a more positive place people like Lou Dobbs wouldn’t have television and/or radio shows.

    I stated above that we’ve spent almost half a trillion dollars on the Iraq war and was told that’s a different issue all together. Well it is and it isn’t. If you’re going to complain about money spent helping migrants then why not complain about money spent killing people in another country. I’d rather help people any day than kill them.

    Currently our national deficit is at around 9.2 trillion dollars and I can tell you that has little to do the migrants that do seek assistance.

    Regarding your using Los Angeles as an example for the rest of the country – I believe that’s a false assertion. We all realize that there are many more migrants in California than elsewhere in the country.

    Regarding crime – If your source of information is television and printed news then I’d ask you do some research outside of those mediums. Look up the information on government websites. You’ll see that crime is down. Just as I stated above the media’s job is to keep you polarized so you’ll continue watching and reading.

  34. No one is against any migrants who are legal–the issue is ILLEGAL immigration, (the breaking of the law), and the governments failure to enforce the law. You can not seem to understand that the problem is ILLEGALS–any and all illegals–because they are lawbreakers.
    Older books fail to capture the problem that we now see with an estimate of thousands crossing the border daily. The problem is out of control.
    I live in a small community and the problems caused by illegals is becoming just as devastating to the community as LA. I live in the midwest.
    The newspapers and local TV are first hand and then of course there is the increasing national media sensations.
    I have close friends in local law enforcement. Stops of illegals usually reveal multiple offences as well as many many alias identies. This makes law enforcement almost impossible. Not to mention the increase of gangs.
    It is obvious that you do not consider any documentation that does not support your views valid. I have also done meg-research on this issue.
    I will no longer waste my time on this site!

  35. You’re obviously not going to change my mind here as I’m firm in my beliefs. The core of my beliefs has nothing to do with the legality of a person in this country. I believe that everyone deserves to be treated with respect and that we are first and foremost human beings. Being in a country without permission is not the same as stealing, murdering or raping and the vast majority of these migrants have done none of these things.

    We also don’t hear much about how to deal with the problem itself. Instead many are trying to “remove” the symptoms of a problem that has less to do with immigration and more to do with the way this country interacts with other countries.

    I appreciate your contributions, but I certainly wish you’d not stereotype undocumented migrants as horrible people. They are not. Gangs and criminals have been here for some time and they should obviously be dealt with sternly. However, vilifying others is no way to spread a mindset of compassion that kills gangs and other criminal activity as they are fueled by anger and hatred. No happy and moral person goes around hurting people.

    So I understand that you have an issue with undocumented migrants. I can’t argue with you as to whether or not they’re breaking the law – they are. However, they are not all multiple offense criminals and regardless of your views on their being in to this country they still deserve common decency.

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