Mexican Immigrant Beaten To Death In Pennsylvania

Luis Ramirez was beaten to death by six teens in Shenandoah, PA.

When you can find images like this (below) on CafePress it’s not hard to see how we’re turning into a very hateful and ignorant country.

The Southern Poverty Law Center’s The year in hate shows that hate groups have been growing steadily across the country. This hate is fueled by anti-migrant rhetoric that has now made it ok to openly speak ill of Hispanics (“it’s the law”). In Shenandoah six teens showed one migrant from Mexico just how unwelcoming the United States can be. Given our youth quite often project the views instituted within by their parents this is awfully scary.

While many people against immigration and “illegal” immigration use the law and overpopulation as an ‘excuse’ all too often we see the hate speech and action brought to the forefront. Those people that despise others can only hold their anger in for so long before someone ends up dead. The CafePress example above shows just how hateful people can be towards others. Sadly the CafePress example is nothing compared to what’s out there.

The town’s police chief states in this story:

“Things are definitely not the way they used to be even 10 years ago. Things have changed here radically,” Nestor said. “Some people could adapt to the changes and some just have a difficult time doing it. … Yeah, there is tension at times. You can’t deny that.”

From a bit of truth we move to utter bs:

“From what we understand right now, it wasn’t racially motivated,” Nestor said. “This looks like a street fight that went wrong.”

An eye witness that happens to be a retired police office heard the youths telling Ramirez’s friends to get out of Shenandoah or the same thing would happen to them. However, the town seems set on protecting these kids who happen to be stars on the town’s football team.

Despite the witness statements, Borough Manager Joseph Palubinsky said he doesn’t believe Ramirez’s ethnicity was what prompted the fight: “I have reason to know the kids who were involved, the families who were involved, and I’ve never known them to harbor this type of feeling.”

For some perspective on PA and anti-migrant thought here’s a post a wrote previously titled What’s The Deal With PA And Anti-Migrants?

Immigrant’s Beating Death Exposes Tensions in Pa. – ABC News

Immigrant’s Beating Death Exposes Tensions in Pa.
Mexican immigrant’s beating at hands of youths exposes racial tensions in Pennsylvania town
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM Associated Press Writer
SHENANDOAH, Pa. July 18, 2008 (AP)

Luis Ramirez came to the U.S. from Mexico six years ago to look for work, landing in this town in Pennsylvania’s coal region. Here, he found steady employment, fathered two children and, his fiancee said, occasionally endured harassment by white residents.

For perspective here’s one comment from the comments section at ABC:

The rest of the country needs to follow suit. We can beat them out of here quicker than we can deport them. The piece of trash that married him knowing that he was illegal needs to be deported along with her two illegal #### children. Posted by: nbclmns 6:49 AM

If anyone is not convinced that these teens were involved in a hate crime (as if the beating death of a man is not enough) read the account from a retired police officer and others at the scene.

Eileen Burke, a retired Philadelphia police officer who lives near the scene, said about the time of the beating she heard someone shouting “You tell all your Mexican friends to get out of town.”

“We saw a bunch of kids walking away and screaming things like … ‘Go back to Mexico.’ We called the police,” said Arielle Garcia, 17, a friend of Ramirez who was at the scene.

Also, the idea that he deserved this because U.S. citizens aren’t getting justice or he shouldn’t have been here in the first place is simply cold-hearted ridiculousness.

Anyone wanting to read more on this please visit DMI Blog for a very thoughtful post.  A quote from this post:

This story is important because this family’s tragedy—and the lesser tragedies of the boys who were so motivated by fear and hatred of the “other” that they beat another human being to death—represents the experience of millions of migrants living in this country in today’s poisonous environment.

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45 thoughts on “Mexican Immigrant Beaten To Death In Pennsylvania

  1. It is nice to see a photo of Luis where he was healthy and content looking. All I could find on the net was the horrific photo of him unconscious in the hospital.

  2. I’m appalled! I can not believe that in this day in age, a blatant attack on a race/minority is still being tolerated and diverged from being called as it is. The person that left the commend on ABC’s website about Luis’ fiancee is such trash themselves. The intolerance and complete disregard of a life is so shocking. I just can not believe it.

  3. We need to catch the animals responsible for this crime and lock them up in a prison full of large banjo players named Bubba…

    Racism is insane, no matter from which direction it oozes.

    Can anyone verify Mr. Ramirez’ status? Some speak as if he were an illegal, but IIRC he wasn’t.

  4. One question tho, Sym, what the he!! does this mean?

    “This hate is fueled by anti-migrant rhetoric that has now made it ok to openly speak ill of Hispanics (”it’s the law”).”

    Are you saying that my statements about the issue with ILLEGAL immigrants isn’ their race, it’s their method of entry is somehow speaking ill of Hispanics?

    Is THAT your point?

    If not, what is your point?

  5. Not racially motivated?, Yeah, it would be a white person that would say that. You white people that can’t get with the program, you need to get back on a ship and sail yourselves back where you came from. We were already here, and thanks to white people, African Americans were taken from their native lands. Let’s talk truth, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. In history it has been the white race that has committed the raping, beating and killing of other races. What are you so afraid of, we don’t want your trailers. I’m tired of sugar coating history because we don’t want to offfend white people. What about the history fo other races being taught in schools? The white race is not the only race in this country. You better get with the program, hide, or sail back cause we’re not going anywhere, don’t you know, we’re taking over!!!!

  6. I guess the first thing we have to consider is that each of these posts does not exist in a vacuum.

    I’m not sure how many other blogs you read or if you’ve been to any anti-illegal rallies, but many of them focus on Hispanics even though we’re all fully aware there are people here from other countries too. Going further, many focus on Mexicans as you can see illustrated in the image above. Sadly it seems that Cafe Press condones the use of such crass images as they have a big banner on their site saying something like “the immigration debate: which side are you on.”

    So what I’m saying is that all those people that don’t like Hispanics can now speak against them (or those here without documentation) while claiming they’re not racist because “it’s the law.” Now this is a fine line – I’m not saying everyone that rallies against undocumented migrants is a racist – what I’m saying is that those that are have an easier time subtly expressing it now.

    Or in the case above – they can beat someone to death and then have the town defend them because they’re “all American heroes.”

  7. The “animals” as it were happen to be six kids on the football team. While the chief of police wrote it off as a street fight gone bad, but a retired officer heard the boys using racial slurs while beating this poor man.

  8. The police chief said it was “street fight that went wrong”. How should a street fight go right?
    For those who believe the beating was justified, it can set a precedent for further beatings to follow.

  9. What if this was a case of six Mexicans beating a white man to death? What would the good people of shenandoah think then? I imagine that there would have already been some arrest’s made and people would be screaming for the death penalty.

  10. Lorena, you are full of hate and rage against white people. You do not deserve to be, nor do you belong in this great country. Atrocities have been committed throughout history by ALL races. So stop with the nauseating, apparently NON-STOP whining. Your victim mentality and irrational thought process are what is causing the problems in our country. This is the United States of America. Thisi is NOT Mexico. We can and will do whatever it takes to ensure our sovereignty and fight against this invasion of people who have no right to be here. That is our constitutional right as Americans. You don’t like it? TOO BAD!!!

    1. These teens deserved the maximum sentence…im sorry but the color of someones skin is not a justified reason to brutally beat them to death. We are living in the 21st century why cant people acknowledge change and diversity yet!

      Reports proved that Ramirez was beaten because he was a MEXICAN immigrant, but lets be honest if he was an immigrant from SWEEDEN or NORTHERN EUROPE he would not be discrimintated against because THEY ARE WHITE. So those that say its not a race issue are insanely wrong.

      Im a native born American and it devestates me to see how we treat minorities…We would not be the great country we are without them so stop with the hating!

      If your so serious about preserving the white race then go back to europe where our roots com from because this land is the redmans land..we caim here to share it not preserve what isnt ours.

      FOR RAMIREZS FIANCE, AND KIDS THE TRAGIC IS EVEN MORE DEVASTATING..NO CHILD ON EARTH DESERVES TO LOSE HIS FATHER OVER A RACIST ATTACK..MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND HIS FAMILY.

  11. Lorena, your statement about “taking over” is every bit as racist as anything any white person has ever said before. What a hypocrite!

    So you as a Hispanic and those ethnically like yourself are going to take over a non-Hispanic country? If that isn’t racism then I don’t know what is! You are talking genocide just like the Nazis did!

  12. Legal Americans, white, brown and black, are still the VAST majority in this country. And legal Americans will fight to the death to preserve our freedom and our American way of life. Thousands of Americans have been killed at the hands of illegal aliens already. This fact sickens and infuriates me.

  13. Lorena, you are full of hate and rage against white people. You do not deserve to be, nor do you belong in this great country.

    Jan, you don’t get to decide who “deserves” to be here. Nor do you get to lump me into your “legal Americans” tirade as I will not be next to you if you and your violent buddies decide to start a war.

    Are you sicked that “illegal aliens” have killed people or does it disturb you more that people find it in their minds to kill one another? Why is one human life worth any more than the next? What about the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s now dead? Did they die for your freedom?

    And anonymous – it’s nice to see another person trying to call oppressed people Nazis. Anyone here who doesn’t understand basic racism, the white man’s burden and white privilege are indeed living under rocks. I certainly don’t remember the black or Hispanic people of this country forcing us to use separate water fountains or go to separate schools. Your terrible mindset only insures that we’ll fester in a future of violence and atrocity as you openly advocate war and death.

    This is the United States of America. This is NOT Mexico. We can and will do whatever it takes to ensure our sovereignty and fight against this invasion of people who have no right to be here. That is our constitutional right as Americans. You don’t like it? TOO BAD!!!

    Thanks for the geography lesson. No, this isn’t Mexico, but do you agree with the graphic from Cafe Press with Uncle Sam urinating on that country? Does that expound American values and the “American way of life” you so heartily defend? One last thought – it’s telling that you assume Lorena is not an American too – and I believe here “taking over” reference was meant to mock the statement used by those who prefer fear over truth.

  14. My eyes caught the headlines about Shenandoah, PA on the “Democacy Now” Website. I happen to have been born in Shenandoah, PA 62 years ago. And I was raised in the nearby area for my first 22 years. I have lived in CA for the last 37 years where life is multi-cultural and people are definitely more tolerant. My eyes are shedding tears for the woman and her children that lost their husband/father. And I am totally mortified and disgusted with the town’s attitude about what happened. Shame on the whole town for their racism. I am no longer proud to have come from the area.

  15. symsess, that is PAST history! Minorities no longer have to drink from separate water fountains or are discriminated against. That was 50 effing years ago! Today it isn’t only whites who can be racists. A fact I am sure you don’t like to admit.

    There is nothing racist about wanting our immigration laws enforced and for it’s citizens to want to retain the traditional language and culture of this country. There is certainly nothing desirable or normal for us to lose it thru illegal immigration from mostly one ethnic group. Would Mexico salivate over the becoming anglo in culture because of an illegal invasion of white people?

    Where the hell did I advocate war and death? I don’t! I am a non-violent person but I will fight for my country if I am forced to. The racism is clearly on the pro-illegal side of this issue.

  16. Did you even bother to call the Shenandoah police department or the DA’s office? Do you know FOR SURE that the football players were involved? They were questioned, but the cops aren’t talking about whether they were questioned as suspects or witnesses. No suspect list has been presented. The retired police officer admitted in other stories that she had to turn down her air conditioner so she could hear (so she may not be sure what she heard!). Also, Luis would be alive right now if he hadn’t broken the law. You cannot deny he owns some responsibility in this tragedy.

  17. I was just reading your post at PA Pundits. Strange you come by now.

    I’m going off the articles I’ve read. Where did it state the A/C had to be turned down?

    I actually have a post in response to yours that will be going up tonight so you can comment there.

  18. I know what Lorena Means

    Taking over does NOT allude to some sort of Nazi genocide. You people are crazy for even thinking that. Of course we do not want that. True, we are here to stay, although most immigrants do plan on going home. But for the most part, we come here, we live here, we make lives here, families, friends, homes. we’re taking over, might be more true in a more cultural sense. Why else would American companies bring changes to their products in order to appeal to the Mexican Market? Why else would employers pay you slightly more if you speak English and Spanish? Why are there so many Spanish translations everywhere? However, as amusing as it is for someone like me, i can only imagine how it scares some people…

    I can Understand Lorena… after so much time, Latinos such as us are constantly overlooked, constantly pushed into the background of your “American” daily lives. You think that this new way of calling us, “Illegal” has created a new wave of hate against immigrants? You have no idea what it is like to grow up as we have with just as much pent up frustrations as everyone else. Ours are more suppressed, because our people have much more to lose if we stand up or speak ‘out of turn’. I understand. If some people don’t, its okay, I don’t expect most people to.

    Jan: constitutional rights?? Is it a crime to want to be treated as A HUMAN BEING??? LUIS RAMIREZ WAS TREATED LIKE HE WAS A LESSER BEING. The constitution is merely a skeletal outline of rights that ALL HUMANS DESERVE, NOT JUST “American citizens.” When did you decide who can be treated like a human being?

    please. the racism, the segregation, you may not see it, but just because a certain class of people dont see it, DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT DOESNT HAPPEN EACH AND EVERY SINGLE DAY. LUIS IS BUT ONE OF MANY. COUNTLESS PEOPLE, LIKE HIM, HAVE BEEN BEATEN, KILLED MERCILESSLY FOR NO OTHER REASON OTHER THAN NOT BEING “WORTHY of BEING HERE” IN THIS SO CALLED ‘GREAT COUNTRY”.

    it pains me to say this, it pains me to the core of my being, that Luis, although he is a special individual with his own history his own family and his own life, is not special in the sense that he isn’t the first, isn’t the only, and will not be the last.

    We must first cure the racism in ourselves before we condemn others for it.

  19. Taking over numerically, politically or culturally is just plain racist when it occurs thru illegal immigration. These businesses are catering to illegal aliens in their language for the all mighty buck! Is this honorable to you? English speaking Americans are being discriminated against by choosing Spanish speakers over English speakers in this English speaking country! That would never have happened if not for the millions of illegal Spanish speakers who have invaded our country.

    That was a snide and hateful remark for Lorena to make about “taking over” unless you agree that genocide of the dominant race in this country by illegal foreingers is ok with you. I used to have respect for Hispanic citizens but the way that they are supporting this invasion of their own ethnic kind and calling white people racists for not accepting their own genocide is causing me to change my mind.

  20. First of all welcome ALIPACers. Secondly people need to wake up to the realization that whites have oppressed others and it’s only been a little over 40 years since the civil rights movement. If anyone here believes racism is not quite alive and well in some white people they’re fooling themselves. Thirdly Lorena clearly stated she was a legal citizen so I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you state:

    That was a snide and hateful remark for Lorena to make about “taking over” unless you agree that genocide of the dominant race in this country by illegal foreingers is ok with you.

    It is irresponsible to put everyone into the same bucket. I know binary thought is much easier, but truly there are always shades of gray. People are capable of having separate opinions. I obviously can’t be bucketed with any white person screaming about Hispanic racism as I don’t believe it. I have humility for the way we’ve treated minorities and I understand how this treatment would make them angry.

    The following comment is irresponsible on many levels:

    I used to have respect for Hispanic citizens but the way that they are supporting this invasion of their own ethnic kind and calling white people racists for not accepting their own genocide is causing me to change my mind.

    There is no invasion nor genocide happening here. If anything a genocide is only being setup against Hispanics as many claim they are “locked and loaded” and ready for the next civil war.

    English speaking Americans are being discriminated against by choosing Spanish speakers over English speakers

    Is this really what’s happening? It all comes down to the language we speak? This makes little sense though I do agree that businesses are taking advantage of people because we choose to keep them in the shadows where this is possible.

  21. Did I say that racism is not alive and well in SOME white people? Trying comprehending what you are reading. Racism is alive and well in all races. But for the most part it has nothing to do wanting our immigration laws enforced. It is about our laws and our sovereignty, controlling our population growth and fair quotas for different ethnic groups so that we don’t lose our traditional identity and that immigrants assimilate to us, not the other way around.

    This is not a Hispanic country culturally or in any other way and for a Hispanic to brag they are taking over whether they be a Hispanic citizen or an illegl still makes it a racist remark. It is bragging about genocide of the white majority in this country!

    It is clearly an invasion when you have milions and millions of illegal foreigners in this country especially from mostly one ethnic group. It is advocating genocide against the traditional society of the U.S. by bragging “we are taking over.”

    As I said, I am not a violent person but I will defend this country against an illegal invasion and their enablers and sympathizers.

    If an English speaking person can’t even get a job in their own country because they don’t speak the language of these invaders, then there is definately something amiss here.

    “We” keep them in the shadows? Don’t refer to regular Americans on this who have the right to see that our immigration laws enforced and those who violate them should not be rewarded. They can come out of the shadows and go back to their homelands where they belong.

  22. “We’re taking over” is a hostile declaration no matter what spin one chooses to try to put on it. No other people anywhere would take it in any other manner. The fact that it is being accomplished through migratory tactics instead of violent invasion does not make the end results any different. Only the tactics are different.

    I don’t recall reading about any other ethnic group which came to this country making hostile pronouncements such as this. Immigrants century ago were grateful to be given the chance to start a new life and embraced America and its language and culture. Sure, they brought aspects of their culture with them and blended them into the melting pot. But, they did not come in with hostile intentions as what is being expressed by the current crop of “immigrants.”

    What is the difference between Hispanics “taking over” culturally, linguistically or Islamists?? Really? There is no difference. The only reason the Islamists resort to violence is because we are resisting their call to become an Islamic nation. Each ethnic group seeks to impose their own culture, their own ways upon another ethnic group. And if that ethnic group (us)objects to it, then THEY are the racists? Give me a break.

    There is no other people anywhere in the world that would not object to the eradication of their language, culture, and race in their own countries. NONE.

    Diversity?? What a joke. When this is a mostly Hispanic country just like the other 22 countries in this hemisphere, I seriously doubt whether the Hispanics will be beating themselves up over their lack of “diversity.” They don’t do it in their own countries now do they?

    The only reason there is any interest at all in coming here is that we are a prosperous nation and theirs are not. If the roles were reversed, there would be absolutely NO INTEREST whatsoever in coming here for “the land.” In fact, they would be doing everything in their power to keep the flood of immigrants from streaming into THEIR countries illegally.

  23. I’d prefer not to get into this discussion here as the topic at hand is the brutal and fatal attack of a man. However, it is hard to deny the anger I see from many commenters who seem to believe (on any level) that this act was justified.

    The idea that Hispanic people are stating they’re “taking over” is absolutely absurd. As I stated earlier Lorena’s comment is a mockery of your very sentiment rather than an affirmation of plan. However, I do understand there exists fringe elements who may call for such things. If you want to turn the idea of a few ‘extremists’ into the idea of the whole that is simply hateful propaganda. Anyone who spends any amount of time in society understands fully that one’s mindset is not hard-wired into their race or ethnicity nor any other physical or cultural characteristics.

    If you go to my ‘scary quotes’ section you can see just a few quotes (though there are many more) that detail what this issue is all about – white majority. You’re either being duped into believing Hispanics want to take over or you’re responsible for perpetrating the falsehoods on others.

    The only reason there is any interest at all in coming here is that we are a prosperous nation and theirs are not. If the roles were reversed, there would be absolutely NO INTEREST whatsoever in coming here for “the land.” In fact, they would be doing everything in their power to keep the flood of immigrants from streaming into THEIR countries illegally.

    Do you understand why their countries are in poverty? It’s odd to me how so many here in the U.S. cry about the rich getting richer yet we fail to see this is also true amongst nations. We even went to far as to import free labor in order to grow so powerful so quickly.

    I don’t recall reading about any other ethnic group which came to this country making hostile pronouncements such as this.

    Do some more reading. The past is full of people such as yourselves who have claimed others want to “take over.” They claimed this of Catholics as well as the Germans. I’d suggest you picking up the book “A Nation of Immigrants” by John F. Kennedy. I find this to be a rather unbiased account of our immigration history.

    There is no other people anywhere in the world that would not object to the eradication of their language, culture, and race in their own countries. NONE.

    Sadly, many cannot object. Just ask Native Americans. Though you may be correct in claiming anyone would object there is no truth to ‘your’ statement. Nobody is trying to take over your country. Nobody is trying to take ‘your’ language.

    Just in case you decide not to pickup my book suggestion, here’s a quote:

    Immigration, of rather the British policy for clamping down on immigration, was one of the factors behind the colonial desire for independence. Restrictive immigration policies constituted one of the charges against King George III expressed in the Declaration of Independence.

    Though there are many passages of note, here’s just one more:

    The increase in the rate of immigration in the 1820’s and 1830’s set off new waves of hostility, directed especially against the Irish, who, as Catholics, were regarded as members of an alien conspiracy.

    They say if we forget the past, history will repeat itself but sadly I don’t think many bother to learn of the past so we’re in certain doom of repetition.

  24. We had immigration laws starting in 1920. We can only argue immigration issues from that point forward. When immigrants came here from all over Europe we were still a young and developing country and they came here legally. Since then we have established English as our language and took on our own identity culturally from the melting pot. That isn’t what is going on today. These “immgrants” coming today from south of the border have come by the millions and they are coming here illegally. They are colonizaing rather than assimilating. What is most disturbing is the number of Hispanic citizens who support this invasion just because they are ethnically like themselves.

    The first immigrants such as the Germans, Irish, Italians may have had their little enclaves of ethnic neighborhoods but today Spanish speakers are taking over entire cities and parts of the southwest. These cities no longer resemble the cultural identity of this country. They resemble the countries south of the border. One can go into these towns and rarely hear English spoken. I have nothing against being bi-lingual and speaking one’s native tongue at home but when out in mainstream it is a non-assimilation factor.

    You are correct that if we forget the past we are bound to repeat it in regards to the native indian past in this country. They lost their culture and languages by not being able to fight off the invaders and we don’t plan on that happening now that this country has been established as the USA. Look at the Mestizos south of the border. They don’t speak their native indian tongues anymore, they speak Spanish! Sorry but this is an English speaking country and we want to keep it that way.

  25. How did they come here “legally” when there were no laws?

    The manifest destiny perpetrated by Europeans in America has nothing in common with Hispanics migrating to a country which happens to be on the same continent they were born. Your assertion that cities are being “taken over” is ridiculous. I live in New York and we have people from all over the world here getting along just fine. Diversity is alive and well and nobody is attempting to “take” anyone else over.

    Look at the Mestizos south of the border. They don’t speak their Native Indian tongues anymore, they speak Spanish!

    Actually there are still those below our border that speak their native tongues, but certainly they’re being forced to ‘assimilate’ to the dominant majority.

    The first immigrants such as the Germans, Irish, Italians may have had their little enclaves of ethnic neighborhoods but today Spanish speakers are taking over entire cities and parts of the southwest.

    This is the same rhetoric used back then. First you say, ok yeah, those people did this or that, but THESE people are out of control! It just a terrible cycle of hate that we need to remove ourselves from.

    So many speak of American culture and the loss of it, but what does that mean? Our culture is constructed from diversity as we take pieces from here and there and mold them as our own. As a nation of immigrants it is within reason to believe our culture will constantly be changing and shifting as we absorb new immigrants. When you ask for laws, such as ‘English Only’, meant to ‘defend’ culture you’re surely only asking for a police state where any act not seen as ‘clean’ will land you in jail.

    Hazleton, PA is so proud of expelling migrants and yelling about a cultural takeover yet they recently celebrated their first Italian festival. Huh?

    I believe your anger is misdirected.

  26. Prior to 1920, they came here in accordance to what ever was acceptable by this country at the time. Duh!

    What the hell does the whole continent have to do with one country, the USA?

    You can deny the Hispanic agenda all you want but we aren’t stupid and we know what is going on. It is an unarmed invasion plain and simple. The melting pot concept is something they have no interest in.

    No one that I know of is for “English Only” it is about making English our official language. You know how Spanish is the official language of most Latino countries. It wouldn’t stop others from speaking another language but give it, it’s honorable place in our cultural identity and save us lots of tax dollars not having to print every government document in a foreign language.

    I don’t have a problem with celebrating foregin cultures. It is when it is practiced day in and day out in public rather than becoming an American culturally that I and other Americans object to.

  27. Just to be clear, I do not in any way condone what happened to this man. From what has been reported, there were six against one and the man was unarmed.

    Of course there are American citizens who are killed by illegals who should never have been in the country to begin with. However, any kind of violence is wrong whether it occurs against American citizens or those here illegally.

    My heart goes out to this man’s family and I hope that the investigation will be concluded soon and that those who are responsible for this tragedy will be brought to justice.

  28. Check the date on the photo in the hospital it is from 2007 apparently he is a convicted felon under an alias and a fugitive. you can check this out on other websites

  29. I believe it’s already been pointed out that since a camera’s date (much like the time on a VCR) is set by the user it’s more than likely incorrect.

    To believe the photo is a shame is to believe that there is no credibility in either PA media or law enforcement. Though I have my issues with both it’s highly unlikely there’s some conspiracy in Shenandoah.

  30. I am from this town that the beating took place. There is much more to the story that brought out. To find the article about the A/C needing to be turned down by the retired Philadelphia Police Officer, go to our local newspaper’s website at
    http://www.republicanherald.com.
    This man did have prior arrest records and was involved with a 14 year old girl.
    Do not play the race card until the whole truth comes out.

  31. Yes, I’ve read the article now (wrote about it here) that stated that. What it states is that the a/c was turned down so the ex-officer could see and hear what was going on. Regardless of you’re stating the officer claimed they heard something they did not then you’re calling her a liar.

    As far as his criminal record – it does not condone the beating death of this man given these kids had no knowledge of his past. To these kids he was just a Hispanic man walking down the street.

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    what city was he from in mexico i know the state was Guanajuato but i need to know the city i think he might be a family member of mine.
    PLease help..im so curious

  33. it is really pitiful that this town is still on the same page as they were 12 years ago. my childrens father who is puerto rican, was beaten severly, in this town on the main street that goes thru the town, oh yes, he was with his brother and they were visiting their mom, who lived there, while stopping at a store on the main street, they were approached by several men, one who is known for his HUGE NOSE, they saw there was a puerto rican flag on my car, and started with the racial slurs, not only did they beat him senselessly, while they held his brother back but they smashed my back window were the stickers were. then to top it all off the police never came to the hospital, and then made us wait almost an hour in front of the police station for them to arrive, locked outside in this horrible town and then to top it all f once again it was not racially motivated they say and they never supposedly found the men, yeah ok, at that time i was in school for law, so i started throwin the charges around and the police hated that, they didnt wanyt to see apolish girl with this puerto rican and then they see i have a brain and speak english, they hated it and never ever returned calls or pressed charges. i know live in detroit, thank goodness, but when i heard of this i said to my husband that this happened to their dad over 12 years ago, so sad, so sad for these babies having no dad, legal or not, and for the commrnt on his wife should take them to mexico and she’s trash, pleasse that probably comes from the stupid idiots who have no jobs and no inspiration to do anything but be a bigot. get a life and this should end in all teens being charged as adults, HOMICIDE, ans racially motivated on top of that

  34. What do you expect in Pennsylvania? Middle america in general is a joke. Too many rednecks. Atleast in Europe, they have enough sense to keep their rednecks on the outskirts of their countries where they die of old age, alone, and useless.

  35. WTH, thanks for pointing this out…It is really being overlooked!! There are missing pieces to the media coverage of this and the official complaints filed against the boys to not match either. In the interview that Arielle Garcia did giving her “eyewitness account”, she states that she and Victor Cruz dropped Ramirez off “and about two minutes later he called us and told us to come back, that people were beating him up”. They quickly returned and, as Garcia states in her account, “the fight was over, like the boys were walking away”. Based on the timeline, this initial fight wasn’t much of a fight. It wasn’t very long, the fight was over by the time Garcia and Cruz returned (which was only a couple minutes after they had dropped him off), the boys WERE WALKING AWAY, and Ramirez was of sound mind and body to make a cell phone call, and meet Garcia and Cruz upon their return. However, when they questioned Ramirez as to what happened, Garcia stated that RAMIREZ went back after the kids and “the kids turned around, and the fight started again”. This began the SECOND ALTERCATION, which was initiated by RAMIREZ…. NOT THE BOYS!!! At this point, if the boys needed to “TURN AROUND” to defend themselves against Ramirez, who was now the aggressor, then they were acting in self-defense at this point. Not to mention that Cruz was now coming at the boys as well to help Ramirez.

    The first fight, supposedly started by the boys, did not end in the death of Ramirez. The second fight, in which RAMIREZ was the aggressor (accompanied by his friend Cruz), ended in his own death. That should not result in murder charges against the boys. If they were to face assault charges for the first fight, that’s fine. However, the murder charges are not fitting for how this really played out (based on the “eyewitness account” of Arielle Garica.

    It’s funny how she so clearly described what had happened in her interview, however, none of this made it into the official complaint or any of the media reports. Those accounts make it appear as if this was ONE fight that didn’t end until the boys finally killed Ramirez. THAT’S NOT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED….

    The first fight was like any other local street fight (and anyone from around here sure knows that there have been tons of them), and once that was over the boys walked away and Ramirez was still standing, still breathing, still able to place a cell phone call, and still able to charge back after the boys once his friend arrived!! This story is being spun a certain way to make it seem like a pure racially motivated hate crime and that the boys didn’t stop until they “killed the Mexican”. That’s not the case. If Ramirez would have just went to the police once his friends arrived, instead of attacking them again, charges would still be filed, and everyone would still be alive.

    I sure hope the attorneys for these young men notice the missing pieces to this story!! “

  36. This story is being spun a certain way to make it seem like a pure racially motivated hate crime and that the boys didn’t stop until they “killed the Mexican”. That’s not the case. If Ramirez would have just went to the police once his friends arrived, instead of attacking them again, charges would still be filed, and everyone would still be alive.

    According to the account the boys were screaming racial slurs after the first fight which is an indication that Ramirez was attacked because he was Hispanic. If that’s indicative of “any other local street fight” then Shenandoah’s in a lot of trouble. What makes teenagers want to go beat someone up anyway.

    There’s a lot of sadness to this story and you can choose to spin it any way you want, but in order to kill someone by beating them to death you have to go way over the line of a normal street fight. It’s actually sad that there are different ways to qualify street fights as if some of them are better or more worthwhile then others.

    The real bottom line to this story is that if these teenagers hadn’t instigated the initial fight they’d not be facing charges and Ramirez would be alive. It’s quite simple and tragic for both his family and society as a whole.

  37. Why does a person become an immigrant? For a better future. For a better life. For a chance to experience the world.

    US has one of the largest immigrant populations. Why? beacuse as we all know, biggest and best land of oppurtunities.

    Man made boundaries and barriers..do not give us right to take life…especially innocent ones….

    I am an immigrant….here to earn and support my family back home….should i be killed just because i am here and because i am not white?

    We have to Change….

  38. Shenandoah and the surrounding area has been much of a disappointment since moving here.

    Shenandoah (Shendo) lives very much in the past. The residents of this blighted slum area have no positive outlook for their future.

    Most Shenandoah folks have lived in the area since birth. They live in a bubble ……. like a ‘time-zone” capsule. They are at least 50 years behind the rest of the country when it comes to social matters.

    The ethnic groups here still carry old racial grudges that stem back to the early days when their ancestors settled in the area. They cling to the the past and their heritage …… largely because that’s all they have that’s positive.

    Many Shendo residents still long for the days when the coal mines provided jobs for the local laborers. Now ….. there are no jobs.

    They don’t like outsiders in Shenandoah. They are uncomfortable with the prospect of sharing their slum apartments and bar room benches with strangers from another culture.

    There is only so much welfare and charity available in Shendo. Many of the residents (young and old) have lived most of their lives on assistance. They fear that others will tap into their resources.

    I moved to the area in order to find an economical lifestyle after retirement. You can purchuse a single family home in Shendo for $25k or less. Rental apartments and row houses are available for about $300.00 per month.

    If you are able to survive without a job ….. Shendo may be the place for you……… as long as you are not hispanic.

  39. In the United States of America we each own a Constitutional First Amendment Right to have our Ethnicity Clearly and Properly Acknowledged. Immigrants that happen to work and contribute to this great nation should have that same right.

    This is a Hate Crime and I am insulted that it is not viewed as one. Where is Jesse Jackson now? If this man was African American or American African this would get more attention from the NAACP and other religious social leaders.
    I blame these children, the parents and media because that is where the foundation for hatred against not only immigrants in general but more so the Mexican Immigrant. Parents say things in jest or with such conviction against Mexicans and the children follow suit. Plus, if they were such good parents why were they underage drinking in the streets?

    The charges on these children are irresponsible. Shame on Roger Laguna, for he is the token minority to represent those children. Have a minority representing you shows that you aren’t racist. That’s like saying I have a Mexican friend or I eat tacos. My Lord you have disgraced yourself for a buck.

  40. I am sad to report these boys were only charged with simple assault. Yesterday, May 01. These boys will walk for this terrible crime. The newspaper who continued to call this a beating case everyday in the front page of the newspaper. This was a man was murdered. I lived here all my life and it sickens me to just see what happened. The jury deliberated for seven hours including dinner to come up with simple assault charges. Schuylkill County, the only place you can get away with murder.

  41. If any good is to come out of this, is that racists, especially the racists in that, according to media “poor, uneducated, rural town,” are having to rethink their world view of white supremacy; and, rethink whether the US stands for freedom.

    The barbarism that has taken place is reaching international news media. The ignorance, the intolerance, the racism and hatred that American whites hold is being broadcast the world over. No wonder the stature of the US has declined, irreparably for years to come.

    US – get your people educated on tolerance; on diversity; on how to live peacefully together. The “we” “they” mentality will get you nothing but shame on the international stage, particularly since Americans seem to believe they are holier than thou when it comes to issues like “freedom.”

    America as a country has conducted horrific foreign policy programs on other countries, based on its own myopic view that it rules the world and has a say in everybody’s business. At its root, their policies are also based in a belief that they are superior, and they, until recently, run by whites, and white viewpoints.

    Whites, get used to the fact that soon you will no longer be the majority. Your uneducated, racist, white supremacy views are going to go one way or the other. May as well go cooperatively, or you will now be the ones run out of town.

  42. I can believe that here in the supposedly the best country that is, are allowing a murderer walk away cause somebody did, dont matter if he was legal or inlegal he still was a human been. People here in the US love to go on vacation to mexico, Puerto Rico and other latin places and have fun and enjoy their selfs but they can’t except other race among them. If they look to their ancestors no body is really from here everyone is an inmigrant. No body think that one day they will have to give an explination to God for their actions and decisions.
    I just hope that this is no more the greates place to be cause not even justice it is justice no more.
    I know some cases from people that fight with others and they didnt kill no body but they still was arrested and they get 3 to 5 years in prisson for like agravated assault, and this kids kill a life and they just walk away.

    I know God will end all this soon. And alot of people will be sorry for what they did in this life. They will no be able to enjoy heaven.

  43. WOW…I have read each and every post here.
    First let me say this, I do not commend the actions of the teenagers who committed this hideous crime against another human being.
    Now, with that said I have a few things to point out that I see and feel…I am white, I am American, I was born and raised here in these United States of America…this is MY culture.
    What I am seeing here is alot of hate aimed at ALL WHITES based on the actions of some. Are you being fair in doing that?
    Not one bit. My brother was shot and killed by illegal hisapanics, but I do not blame the whole race!

    MISS LORENA has shown thru her words she is a hateful person who would love nothing more than to destroy all whites based on her own RACISM.

    Someone here said that whites brought the Africans here against their will, this is true…But…you neglect to acknowlegde that it was also “whites” who fought to free them, and once freed they could have choose to go back to their homeland…they choose to stay and overcome and “assimulate” with those “whites” who fought for and believed in their human rights! Why? Because they too had dreams that could not be realized in their homeland.

    Now on to my next point…My culture is compromised of many cultures…with not one dominating over the others…
    ST. Patricks Day for example is a part of my culture but yet it tis a holiday orginated in Ireland and introduced here by the Ireland immigrants, many foods served in my home while growing up were compromised of many different origins…from german to french to italian and so forth…
    The difference between the early immigrants and those of today are vast indeed! Early immigrants into this country came with the intent to “assimulate” into the greatness they saw in this country, they did not expect this country or its citizens who came before them to adapt to their homelands language or laws, they did not see it as dicrimination to be expected to adapt to the laws and language of this country…they saw it as an opportunity to become one with this great nation!
    The immigrants of today however are on the opposite side of the spectrum…they are forcing their homelands ways and language on the citizens of this country…causing great expsenses and breeding much resentment in doing so.
    And YES the majority of them did (do) not even bother to show decent respect by legally entering this country…therefore not only disrepecting our government but every citizen who has come before them the proper way!
    Our founding fathers wrote our constituiton in english therefore I believe it is a safe assumption that they fully intended for the language to be english…adapted by all who chose to be an American of the United States. The only immigrants who seem to fight this is the latin ones…The hispanics immigrating into this country would love to have the world believe that “whites” or any true American in general that they are being discriminated against because of the color of their skin, and while there will always be some that do,(in every race) that it is just not so in the masses…If you look at it truthfully tho it is them who is breeding discrimination! People of fair skin as always been “labeled” “whites”…not just plain Americans…but dare the whites call anyone by the skin color, if we do we are called racist…thats rather ridiculous is it not?
    Immigrants of today don’t get it…they don’t understand that it is not their skin color we object to…its their refusal to “assimulate” into an American…pure and simple.
    They insist on being called Latino American or African American for example…how often do you hear someone say; oh I am german American…you don’t! You either want to be just an American and “share” parts of your homelands culture or you wish to change America to the same of your homeland…and although your homeland may be a great place to visit and learn more about its culture…we don’t want the very thing you wish to leave because its standard of life is less than we desire, to become America…
    To all immigrants who show respect by entering legally and truely accepting America as your new country and by fighting for the same rights for all “Americans” I welcome you and am proud to call you my fellow American…for those of you who come here illegally…first, shame on you…you would not like your precious homeland to be invaded illegally by anyone and you need to understand we American citizens don’t like it either and we never will be accepting of it…by entering illegally you are lessoning the quality of our livelihoods…you steal jobs from those in which are truely deserving of them…you are a burden to this country and you take advantage of its sympathy…you break the law to enter and you continue to break the laws in every way to stay…you sue our companies that wish to uphold the American standards and American citizens…if you want “rights” then by all means feel free to earn them just as every TRUE American has! If you honestly bellieve that every “white” American citizen has a silver spoon in their hand then you are indeed illusional…if you indeed believe you are discriminated against merely because the color of your skin, then again you are illusional…
    One more thing…this country has a flag all its own…and by god we are proud of it! There is no place in this country that should allow another flag to be displayed or allowed to wave thru the air…when you display your homelands flag you are are not showing American pride, you are in fact disrespecting every American citizen…and if its not in your heart to to be American and Be Proud of it…then there truely is no place for you here in this great country made up of many cultures “assimulating” into one Great Nation!

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